Black Belt Poker -

Mike (sceaga2) Shaw posted on 7 Feb, 9:00am

iPoker - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 6 players

BB: $51.25
UTG: $75.31
MP: $49.25
CO: $54.05
BTN: $50.00
Hero (SB): $53.40

Villian: VP:22/PR:11/AFq:42 (85 hands)
Hero : VP:23/PR:12/AFq:35 (77 hands)

Only note I've got is that I saw villian 3 bet from SB with Ac9c and lead out with pot bet on AdJdTh flop

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has Ac Jc

fold, fold, CO raises to $2.00, fold, Hero calls $1.75, fold

>> Putting villian on decent hand so call hoping to hit flush/str8
>> or my J really

Flop: ($4.50, 2 players) 5c Js 5s
Hero checks, CO bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

>> Villian has cBet 100% (3/3) so decide to play passive

Turn: ($13.50, 2 players) 8d
Hero checks, CO bets $13.50, Hero raises to $46.90

>> His Aggr Freq on turn is 60% (3/5) so let him bet out
>> and decide to spring my trap now as will be $74 in pot
>> and villian has $34 behind

>> Little worried by his two pot size bets as most likely he's got made hand
>> rather than flush draw. Can't put him on 5-x or J-J but could
>> have J-x as well as pocket pairs

>> Good line here for this villains tenancies ?

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Jean-Pierre Carmier posted on 7 Feb, 3:41pm

Agree with Simon, why not flat the turn and see what the river brings. There's a lot of good river cards for you and you will get paid by a weaker J or bluff catch.

Adam 'Snoopy' Goulding posted on 7 Feb, 6:24pm

You should just flat call the turn as you push off too many inferior hands when you could extract value on the river, either by leading out and making it looked like a missed flush draw, or by trap-checking and allowing him to either bluff or value bet a slighlty worse hand.

Mike Carroll posted on 7 Feb, 8:57pm

I think you can consider a fold on the turn here sometimes rather than a raise or even the call. The reason being is that you say that you think he has a likely strong holding pre flop and also that his pot size bets might be due to a strong made hand rather than a flush draw. So if that is your read then the rasie is horrible as you will only get called if beaten and because you are oop you cant control the pot on the river either, so now you have a hand that you are not that comfortable with that can stack off to someone who you think is holding a strong made hand. Either fold or call here imo but not the raise.

Tony (7onyB) Booth posted on 6 Feb, 11:29pm

I have always played on the tight side but realise to progress I need to be more agressive but struggle to find the right spots.

I am pretty certain I made a mess of this hand but would appreciate peoples thoughts on how I should have played it.

***** Hand History for Game 3963695529 ***** (IPoker)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, January 29, 07:26:31 ET 2012
Table 200000 Guaranteed 679709811 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: 7onyB ( $9922.50 USD )
Seat 2: SirNitAlot ( $9493.75 USD )
Seat 3: askitnice ( $7837.50 USD )
Seat 4: Clarky9 ( $21545.00 USD )
Seat 5: Julia9 ( $23200.00 USD )
Seat 6: 1Srslyfu ( $17300.00 USD )
Seat 8: 69ghost ( $12300.00 USD )
Seat 9: ch0ppy ( $1597.50 USD )
Seat 10: Stan7811 ( $8363.75 USD )
ch0ppy posts small blind [$60.00 USD].
Stan7811 posts big blind [$120.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to 7onyB [ Kh Qh ]

Table is playing very tight and the first into the pot is usually taking it down, the norm being a min-raise, with hindsight I believe I should have made it 3x

7onyB raises [$240.00 USD]
SirNitAlot folds
askitnice folds
Clarky9 folds
Julia9 folds
1Srslyfu calls [$240.00 USD]
69ghost calls [$240.00 USD]
ch0ppy folds
Stan7811 calls [$120.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 6h, Jh ]

Quite happy with this flop giving me the OESD and FD

Stan7811 checks
7onyB bets [$510.00 USD]
1Srslyfu folds
69ghost raises [$1020.00 USD]
Stan7811 folds
7onyB calls [$510.00 USD]

Not overly concerned by the raise as I felt I was betting for the draws and was doubtless behind at this stage

** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]

Saw this as a blank and was unsure what to do, I put the Villian on a set or two pair so he was ahead but behind should I river the flush or straight.
I thought that if:
a) I checked he would likely bet quite large to take the pot there and then
b) I bet half pot he would fold anything less than a set or two pair and shove anything else
c) I shove he will fold anything less than a set

I bet half pot and he raised, I think with hindsight I should have then shoved as should I just call and make the flush or straight he will likely fold to a river bet

7onyB bets [$1530.00 USD]
69ghost raises [$3840.00 USD]
7onyB calls [$2310.00 USD]

Villian was playing 26/11 over 81 hands

Any thoughts on how I should have played appreciated

Simon Shaw posted on 7 Feb, 0:11am

Minraise preflop is fine, on the flop I would prefer a 3bet since you are a favourite against most hands but a call this deep is okay.

On the turn I still don't understand why you donk bet. You missed, so donking just gives villain an opportunity to take you off your hand. It makes no sense. Check/call this turn once you decide to call his flop raise.

Martin Malone posted on 7 Feb, 8:57pm

Min raise pre is std, dont have a problem with anywhere between min and 3x really as u are deep. Just whatever you normally open to at this stage i guess.
I think the flop play is std too, obv u want to c bet this board and when he raises u have a million outs and are still deep so peel my first choice. 3b flop is option too as u have a massive drawing hand but i guess it only folds out hands u have good equity vs and that u can prob get them off of later in the hand if you want, problem with 3b this deep for me is his value hands such as sets and top 2 (assuming these are the only hands in his range that are more than 1p as 10-6/J-6 unlikely too see flop) arent going anywhere and will prob try get it in on the flop or ch call down brick turns and river and only likely to pass if you hit your hand which ofc u dont want. And although you have a v strong drawing hand u dont really wanna get such a big stack allin on the flop, if you were less deep id just get it in there. Going on a bit here, sorry, anyway so ye i like the peel on the flop.
On the turn i agree with Simon, just calling the flop keeps the pot size smaller so you can try to draw then by donk leading the turn you give him the chance to make it expensive, the lead makes you're life v hard. I would def ch call the turn...
...My next move would be to to bink in the 9c river ;)

Andrew (thehingster) Hingston posted on 3 Feb, 8:33am

Reached heads up in alive game monday night. First prize £155, second £90. I have around 20% of the chips and my opponent is someone everyone at the club knows but I haven't played against before as he hasn't been there for 6 months.

Blinds 2,000/4,000 and I have 40,000 chips. I have K4h in the small blind and raise to 12,000. He looks at his cards and after 10-15 seconds he puts me all in. What should I do? Was my original raise wrong?

Any advice gratefully received!

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Andrew (thehingster) Hingston posted on 4 Feb, 6:16pm

Ah but wih 5 pints i managed to convince myself i was being clever lol

Gareth Warke posted on 6 Feb, 7:09am

just zoop it on it there pre. With k4s bvb you can ship upto 60k pretty easily there.

Adam 'Snoopy' Goulding posted on 7 Feb, 6:27pm

Snap him off. To be honest, with 10 bigs, I'd just move all in preflop; I certainly wouldn't consider raise-folding, and if I did, I wouldn't raise 3x.

Ciaran (HesGot2Aces) Cole posted on 7 Feb, 1:07pm

Hand that knocked me out in 3rd of $2.5k last night:

Chip Leader has massive chip lead over myself and other guy, easily 10 to 1, but not playing particularly loose, have to say I didnt feel he was throwing his weight around, but other guy min raised most of the time, and was pretty loose. Heres how the action went:

Blinds at 1500 & 3000 - Chip leader around 400k who is on my right, and other guy on my lift has around 70k, i had around 58k.

Chip leader on button 3xBB to me in SB - I pick up A5 off suit, decide to shove thinking I had some fold equity - what this a good spot? what do you guys think?

Moving on - guy to my left fold, Chips leader tank calls - shows A3 off - what do people think of his call here? I thought it was VERY loose.

Flop xx5 with 2 diamonds - I take a 90/10 lead - 5 of diamonds on turn giving me trips, but Chip Leader picks up flush draw with his mighty 3 of diamonds - river comes 7 of diamonds, hits his flush, board doesn't pair and I'm gone.

Any feedback/thoughts? Could I have got away from this spot?

Gareth Warke posted on 7 Feb, 1:25pm

what were the pay outs?? nothing wrong with your shove btw and yes you do have FE but as it's a FT theres some ICM considerations.

Ciaran (HesGot2Aces) Cole posted on 7 Feb, 2:14pm

I finished with $280 for 3rd, 2nd was $380, $591 FTW.

chris poutashi posted on 2 Feb, 1:19am

Hi,im quite happy the way i played this hand,but can anyone see a better way of playing it...thanks.PokerStars Hand #74884651702: Tournament #558010553, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (3000/6000) - 2012/02/02 3:09:20 EET [2012/02/01 20:09:20 ET]
Table '558010553 211' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: MrMuy (532940 in chips)
Seat 2: Alfaboy156 (582897 in chips)
Seat 3: chris.cy54 (294832 in chips)
Seat 5: españa111 (740332 in chips)
Seat 6: EURI35 (891207 in chips)
MrMuy: posts the ante 600
Alfaboy156: posts the ante 600
chris.cy54: posts the ante 600
españa111: posts the ante 600
EURI35: posts the ante 600
EURI35: posts small blind 3000
MrMuy: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chris.cy54 [Kd Ks]
Alfaboy156: folds
chris.cy54: raises 12000 to 18000
españa111: calls 18000
EURI35: folds
MrMuy: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Qh 3c]
chris.cy54: bets 36000
españa111: raises 36000 to 72000
chris.cy54: raises 66000 to 138000
españa111: calls 66000
*** TURN *** [3h Qh 3c] [8d]
chris.cy54: bets 138232 and is all-in
españa111: calls 138232
*** RIVER *** [3h Qh 3c 8d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chris.cy54: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
españa111: shows [Qc 8c] (a full house, Queens full of Eights)
españa111 collected 600464 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 600464 | Rake 0
Board [3h Qh 3c 8d Qs]
Seat 1: MrMuy (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Alfaboy156 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: chris.cy54 showed [Kd Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
Seat 5: españa111 (button) showed [Qc 8c] and won (600464) with a full house, Queens full of Eights
Seat 6: EURI35 (small blind) folded before Flop

Martin 'MJR719' Rice posted on 2 Feb, 9:30am

fold pre.

Gareth Warke posted on 6 Feb, 7:08am

limp fold

John 'LuckBeerLady' Hayes posted on 9 Jan, 2:32pm

Here's one that has been keeping me awake since Nottingham Live.

I am getting short stacked with maybe 25BB remaining (the details have faded with therapy) in mid-position having moved tables about an orbit ago so not terribly full of info.

I have TT and utg raises(the only person I can really say much about - he has been pretty lively, but all the same, it's early doors he might just have had good spots...).

I 3-bet (let's say to 8 BB total) it gets folded around and he shoves.

Now my question is whether I out-thought myself here.

I fold on the basis that he must know that I am extremely likely to be calling with any 3 betting hand here. He has no 3-bet frequency on me, so surely must be expecting the call.

On that basis, I put him ahead of me on most of his range and racing with what little else he could have in there.

As it turns out he has 88 and I feel pretty poorly about the whole situation. If he puts me on 99+, AJs+, KQs then he has little to no hope here (well 30%...)

I know the easy resonse is 'You cannot 3-bet fold TT' (which is what the table gave me in the post-hand discussion!) but I want to dig a little deeper and see if anyone can find an argument that can settle my mind once and for all.

If he knows I cannot likely fold, can I expect him to shove with something I am ahead of...?

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John 'LuckBeerLady' Hayes posted on 3 Feb, 5:02pm

I hate to labour the point, but you make it for me so well!

My thinking is exactly about the planning - my 3bet should be clearly committing and therefore he has to fold. From his perspective, my 3bet range must put him in jeopardy.

This is where I am asking the question am I thinking one step too far cos all the answers I am getting are two or three level - based on what I have against his range. Not on his perception of my range.

I accept that its marginal on a basic analysis (38% to 40%).

This is exactly why I am asking the question. Am I over relying on him allowing for me being committed in deciding to turn down the 1.8% edge here!!

I think it's telling that every response has started with 'its horrific to 3b fold TT' and then gone on to show how close the decision is on second level thinking!!!

Simon Shaw posted on 3 Feb, 11:27pm

It's not close at all, though. My reply above assumed a 'worst case scenario' where villain ONLY 4bet shoves the top 4.7% of hands and ALWAYS has this range. In reality:

a) He folds a ton, which makes the 3bet immediately profitable
b) He shoves wider than 4.7%, which improves your odds
c) Including blinds and antes in the calculations also improves your odds.

This isn't about 'level 2 or 3 thinking' or anything like that, your perceived range is your actual range and this is a straightforward question about 3betting and odds/ranges. So many questions in this forum involve somebody 3betting and then not knowing what to do when 4bet or called. The reason you 3bet TT is not because you want villain to fold preflop! If that is the primary goal, polarise yourself much more and weight yoyr 3bets to AA/KK/junk. The reason is because TT realises its equity far better in allin pots PLUS the inherent fold equity of the 3bet.

Gareth Warke posted on 6 Feb, 7:07am

2 points for consideration John.

You're readless and have no history so on what grounds do you have to make assumptions on what level your op is thinking?

YOU HAVE 25BBs!!!!

Warren Wooldridge posted on 30 Jan, 2:57pm

You may have seen this hand http://www.foxpokerclub.com/category/live-coverage/page/5/ from the APT main event at the Fox club on saturday. It was slightly mis-reported:

I am 2nd in chips at table (70k) with blinds 400 800 75. Chip leader (95k) opens for 2k UTG +2. Passed to me on button I call with Ac 10c.

Flop Ah Qh 10d. Villain leads for 4k. I call. Turn 10h. Check check!!!

River 8c. Villain leads for 6k, I raise to 20k and get speech about how it was obv I was going to do that. 30 sec dwell before announcing min raise.

I tank for 2 mins, decide I have 2 winners (Q 10 and 10 8 at a push!) and 2 losers (AA and QQ) whilst totally discounting his actual hand! Couldn't pull trigger on hero fold and make crying call.

Would have committed on both flop and turn ironically but felt could have found fold for final bet.

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Niall (Firaldo87) Farrell posted on 3 Feb, 0:29am

Bet the turn to get value from every Ax Qx etc etc

As played, raise/fold river looks good. No one in the history of idiot live tourneys has ever 3bet a river without it

Simon Mairs posted on 3 Feb, 5:05am

+1. Sucks, but you have to fold the river I think, even QT likely flats your raise here. Tough to do in the moment of course......

Ross Jarvis posted on 5 Feb, 6:40pm

Warren - out of interest why did you decide to check the turn? And would you have played the hand much differently if you'd started the hand shallower, say with 40,000?

Nick (nickhem1) Hemming posted on 25 Jan, 6:37pm

Been discussing the hand that bust me out of last night league game with a mate who plays full time and be interested to see what every one else thinks on this situation in general as this sort of thing happens quite a bit and after thinking my initial play was ok I'm now thinking it isn't :)

We are pretty deep into the tourney and down to the last 30 or so players, blinds at 150/300 with antes of 50

I'm big blind with 9k in chips and dealt J8o we are 6 handed.
UTG+1 (6k stack) raised to 680
CO (12k stack) calls for 680

1st Question, it is only 380 more for me to call and there is over 2k in the pot massive value but is it standard to call or should I just fold as my hand is rubbish?

I call and flop comes 7c 8s Jc, so I have top 2 and I know the board is very draw heavy.

I check, UTG+1 checks, CO bets out 1500
I raise to 3000, UTG+1 folds, CO reraises all in

2nd Question, should I get away from this or do I have no choice but to call, flod and I still have over 5k in chips.

My thinking was that with the flush draws and straight potential on the board if I'm behind I still have 4 outs for a full house and most of time I'm ahead of all draws so should call.

I call, he turns over 77 for trips and I go out

My main question is really about calling for value in these spots, should I of just binned the hand on the BB in the first place?

Sorry for the broken up why I posted the hand, have no idea how to post the hand in 'standard' format and I've never posted a hand before :)

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Kevin (S0lution) Birt posted on 2 Feb, 9:11pm

Out of interest nicks getting 5 to 1 on a pre flop call here. He could hit a hand or have the opportunity to pull out a bluff. What odds do u think u need in his position with a similar hand to make a call? Most of us will be in this position in any game so appreciate your opinions or thoughts on this?

Simon Shaw posted on 2 Feb, 9:40pm

Good question to which I don't know the answer, but obviously the deeper we are the more we can call. I would fold this OOP in a 100bb deep cash game though. It's not that we don't have great odds preflop, it's that we have terrible reverse implied odds postflop. It's hard to flop anything except a bad top pair or weak middle pair type hand, and if we're looking to bluff there are very boards we can bluff with equity except for 49T type boards.

A hand like J9s is a different matter because it plays much better postflop. In cash I would play this at least for a call, again I'm not sure at what point you can play this in a tournament. In tournaments I would much rather be 3betting 30bb deep or folding and not calling 'to try and hit' at all.

Nick (nickhem1) Hemming posted on 4 Feb, 11:45am

Cheers for the comments, As Kevin commented this is a very common situation to occur so was interested to hear at what odds do you need to call for value with any2 when on the BB like this, think it only works on the BB as you are last to act pre.
I find myself calling in this situation quite often with the view to hitting the flop or folding it I miss, but now think this is a massive leak.

Mark Dutot posted on 20 Jan, 6:25am

Advice on the hand below, I Am in seat 1. Question did I make the correct push?, I lost the hand but I think my push was correct, but I just need a bit of feedback. Thanks Mark

Hand #74155262175: Tournament #500647602, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500)
Table '500647602 105' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: AllInDuts (14520 in chips)
Seat 2: crstayclear (93584 in chips)
Seat 3: fuubarrr (103208 in chips)
Seat 4: hermes56 (42138 in chips)
Seat 5: reg163 (71097 in chips)
Seat 6: Getbackerss (20550 in chips)
Seat 7: Xolostyak (48408 in chips)
Seat 8: trepanier99 (22775 in chips)
Seat 9: amputater (10650 in chips)
AllInDuts: posts the ante 250
crstayclear: posts the ante 250
fuubarrr: posts the ante 250
hermes56: posts the ante 250
reg163: posts the ante 250
Getbackerss: posts the ante 250
Xolostyak: posts the ante 250
trepanier99: posts the ante 250
amputater: posts the ante 250
amputater: posts small blind 1250
AllInDuts: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AllInDuts [9d Tc]
crstayclear: folds
fuubarrr: folds
hermes56: calls 2500
reg163: folds
Getbackerss: folds
Xolostyak: folds
trepanier99: calls 2500
amputater: calls 1250
AllInDuts: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7h 8c]
amputater: checks
AllInDuts: bets 11770 and is all-in
hermes56: calls 11770
trepanier99: folds
amputater: folds
*** TURN *** [Ts 7h 8c] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 7h 8c 7d] [Qc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
AllInDuts: shows [9d Tc] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
hermes56: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
hermes56 collected 35790 from pot
AllInDuts finished the tournament in 507th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 35790 | Rake 0
Board [Ts 7h 8c 7d Qc]
Seat 1: AllInDuts (big blind) showed [9d Tc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 2: crstayclear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: fuubarrr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hermes56 showed [Kc Kh] and won (35790) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 5: reg163 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Getbackerss folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Xolostyak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: trepanier99 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: amputater (small blind) folded on the Flop

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mark 'originalcynic' england posted on 30 Jan, 3:30pm

*substitute <6BBs and <15k, but the points stand.

This is a standard issue in the micro MTTs: you'll find people limping all the time because they're scared of missing: "I've got a half-way reasonable hand, I'll just see the flop then decide" is typical thinking. This is awful play, you lose all your fold equity (that is: all the winnings that you get when everyone folds to you raise preflop). Exploit them by 3 betting a lot. More aggression is definitely best vs passive limpy players - even though in this case one of them was limp-trapping with a monster, it's still a way positive percentage move.

Bob (myteamouse) Bulman posted on 30 Jan, 3:45pm

Good points.
imo it's too late for the shove as being called is a certainty.
Would rather not get this low but if unavoidable (& occasionally it is) I would rather do as played.

mark 'originalcynic' england posted on 31 Jan, 9:42am

You're right, you're going to get called whatever - so why just call pre when you're going to have to shove any flop anyway, whether you hit or not? You can't put in 1bb out of 5bbs left on the big blind and then fold the flop. The greater fold equity (not that there's much) lies with shoving pre. You will at least clear some of the stations out so you are up against only one oppo, and that gives you bigger pot odds too. The way it was played gave 3 opponents a chance to hit. Not that it mattered, in this case, but the point stands.

Daniel Creasey posted on 23 Jan, 0:09am

A live hand that really tilted me from a live sat to GUKPT manchester earlier this evening ! Villain opens UTG i 3bet from the CO with QQ (with the intention of inducing his shove). He elects to call my 3bet which was for over 60% of his stack. The flop comes AK2 rainbow and he open shoves. I make a massive sigh and fold.

I've been rolling it over in my head for ages he only really has AQ or AK in that spot right ? Surely he's not calling 3bets for 60% with KK or AA ....

Either way if i call i would have had only 7BB left as opposed to 18BB (a semi-playable stack)

I think my fold is good because i cant ever see my QQ being good i just really hate how matey played his hand

Thoughts ....

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Kevin (S0lution) Birt posted on 25 Jan, 6:07pm

Hard to fold QQ but you had to, good fold. He must have you on a range of JJ, QQ, KK, AQ up so he must have hit and must have hit big AK, A2 even.

Bob (myteamouse) Bulman posted on 30 Jan, 3:25pm

You would have tilted more to call & lose.
Sick play by him but unless he's a loose maniac you have to fold.

mark 'originalcynic' england posted on 30 Jan, 3:36pm

No argument here. You played it right, and make a note of him as super-exploitable in the future. Calling 60% then donking all in is awful, (see elsewhere on here about fold equity - he doesn't have any preflop, and his shove on the flop is so dangerous because it hits you so often) but I'm certain you were behind on this flop. Unlucky. We all hate it when a fishy move hits!

Sen Sei posted on 23 Jan, 11:08am

Moved from the 'General' tab. Originally posted by Peter Brown.

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played the 5k freezeout earlier and found myself about 25% above average chipstack shortly after the first break in mid position on the table i have 10 10 it is folded round to me and i have a couple of loose players to my left both shortish stacks i wonder what do people think is the correct thing to do raise 3x call or maybe even fold? I did raise and it was folded round but would be interested to know how should the handbe played ?

Gavin Hall posted on 26 Jan, 7:53pm

pretty much exactly as played, if you are happy to get it in vs the 'loose' players then 3x is fine if you would fold to a shove or 3b then 2.2-2.5 would also work fine.

Bob (myteamouse) Bulman posted on 30 Jan, 3:18pm

Can anybody seriously consider folding here?
I believe plenty of people would limp to induce a raise & then reraise but this would be dependant on stack sizes/blinds etc.

Simon Shaw posted on 20 Jan, 0:40am

Reasonably interesting hand, $15 HUSNG turbo.

Villain is Russian (if this means anything), raising 55% from the SB and limping another 20% or so. Postflop, however, my read is that he is nitty and not prone to spazzing out.

Thoughts on betsizing and river decision pls. Ordinarily I think a river bet is mandatory against 99% of $15 players, and probably larger turn sizing too. But here, I'm not so sure.

Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: SB ( $1548.00 USD )
Seat 2: Hero ( $1452.00 USD )
SB posts small blind [$30.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$60.00 USD].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8h Ts ]
SB calls [$30.00 USD]
Hero checks

** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8s, 8c ]
Hero bets [$60.00 USD]
SB calls [$60.00 USD]

** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
Hero bets [$120.00 USD]
SB calls [$120.00 USD]

** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
Hero ...

Hero checks
SB bets [$280.00 USD]
Hero ...

Gavin Hall posted on 26 Jan, 8:01pm

interesting. yeah a bigger turn bet is prob better.

If he is nitty and not a spazz then you have to ask is he really going to double float the turn and look to make a river move, so the question then becomes wtf is he flatting with. 67? FD? 8x?

Ideally would like some info on what kind of hands his 20% limp pre range have got to showdown (ie are they low combo cards eg 64o 65o 74o etc)

Simon Shaw posted on 27 Jan, 11:32am

Since he wasn't completely fishy I guess he's limping decent suited connectors, occasional monsters, and QT type hands that can't stand a 3bet shove pre. Stats don't show it but his limping frequency increases as blinds get higher as is often the case.

I'm pretty certain that I'm dead on the turn here when he calls since he's not the type to call 3 barrels with 5x. Straight got there, flush got there, only 8x combos I beat are 87, 86s.

Result is that I check-called river and lost. Was gonna check-fold but his sizing was good and small enough that I figured there might be some Jx/9x hands that could take this line. Looking back I think there aren't and that's it's more a bet-fold or check-fold.

Bob (myteamouse) Bulman posted on 30 Jan, 3:14pm

Think I'm bet/folding river.
Looks like a hand where losses were kept to a minimum (or could he have folded to a bigger turn bet?)