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Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 13 Mar, 2:24pm

Final Hand London Live

Blinds 600/1200, Ante 200. Hero stack is 21k

SB - Hero
BB - 
UTG - Toby Lewis (Villian1)
UTG +1 - 
UTG +2 - Absent seat
MP - Richard Wheatley (Villian2)
MP2
Hi-
CO - Absent Seat
Button - Neil Channing (Villian3)

Villain1 min raises to 2.4k villian 2 flats , and villian3 on the button makes it 6k~. This about the 3rd or 4th time out of the last 7 or 8 hands that villian 1 has min raised in early position.

I have Ad8d and have not played a hand for an hour or so, I shove.

My logic was a follows

The table was playing relatively straight fwd and the 3 villians were the most active in the pots.

Toby had been calling then re-raising with his stronger holdings, Richard was just wanting to play pots and I had Neil down as isolating to play 1 of them heads up in position. So to my mind the only person that could call was Toby who I thought had a hand like QJs - 89s or a pocketpair up to Tens, so if called I was sure my Ace would be live at least. It was around 1/3 to a 1/4 of his stack for him to call.

Should I have waited for a better spot (around 50 players left Average stack around 40k. 30 odd ppl going through to Final Day at which point average stack would be around 80k according my calculations, which was going to be hit in about 2 levels time)

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Kevin Williams posted on 14 Mar, 10:08pm

There's only one good thing about being a short stack imo, the simplicity of most of your available plays.

Remember for this to work first your read of the situation must be spot on (ie that the action that occured would ever occur with no one having much of a hand), then it had to be the case that THIS particular time no one has a hand, and THEN u have to hope no one decides that your range is wide coz u think neil's squeezing and avoid a hero call, and THEN when it gets to neil you have to hope he doesn't feel priced in with whatever he has.

Phew! I reckon you're drawing pretty thin on all those stars alligning. Less complicated SS play FTW.

Simon Mairs posted on 16 Mar, 3:56pm

I think your too short here to have any fold equity, you want minimum 30BB to have decent FE here I reckon. Your stack is fine for shoving over 1 raiser, but you've at least priced Neil in for sure here IMO.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 16 Mar, 4:47pm

stacks approx toby c.50k richard c.70k nc c.30k

sowas factoring in some leverage too as damage if they get it wrong would be high

overly on reflection i think i should prob have waited, although didnt have too much time with a rapidly diminshing stack and big blind jump coming up, i knew it was a gamble but it didnt pay off.

Mike (sceaga2) Shaw posted on 11 Mar, 10:27am

Here's a low flush dilemma I'm sure you all have faced....

Full ring NL HE cash $1/$2 

MAIMUS900 shows as VP:56 PR:19 AFq:48
vane00 shows as  VP:13 PR:8 AFq:67
sceaga2 (HERO) session stats are VP:33 PR:19 AFq:43

Dealt to sceaga2 [4s 5s]
heeeeehaw posts the small blind of $1
MrTiltron posts the big blind of $2
MAXIMUS900 posts the dead big and small blind of $3
OwningDomination folds.
Gugladella folds.
patshort folds.
sceaga2 calls $2.
vane00 calls $2.
MAXIMUS900 raises to $6.
Dario04200 folds.
heeeeehaw folds.
MrTiltron folds.
sceaga2 calls $4.
vane00 calls $4.

>>>>  I'm just along for the ride here hoping for
>>>>  a favourable flop

Dealing Flop [7h Ks 9s]
sceaga2 checks.
vane00 checks.
MAXIMUS900 bets $11.
sceaga2 calls $11.
vane00 calls $11.

>>>>  Not bad flop for me.  Nothing to get
>>>>  to excited about as guess my implied odds
>>>>  are pretty low unless facing a higher 
>>>>  flush or As
>>>>  I still like my check/call as Stove shows 
>>>>  me as 34% against the likely ranges

Dealing Turn [2s]
sceaga2 checks.
vane00 checks.
MAXIMUS900 bets $40.
sceaga2 raises to $123.35, and is all-in.

>>>>  I've made my hand and am happy to let the 
>>>>  aggressor do the betting, but am nervous about
>>>>  a higher flush draw so decide to check/ship


I'm happy to take the pot down uncontested, but always worry 
about being over aggressive and missing value on my made hands.

Here I guess am only being called by a higher made flush or 
maybe As, so is there a better line to take to get better value ?

Trouble is another spade on the river turns my hand into dust....

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Gerard Harraghy posted on 14 Mar, 2:04pm

shove pre imo...

(just didn't want to actually agree with marty but folding is 100% the best optiin especially when you don't even have a full stack)

Kevin Williams posted on 15 Mar, 3:46pm

Fold pre, don't wanna be playing this hand OOP. Also it's important to remember when punching equities into stove that it assumes you will see the river. In reality you only have one shot to hit your flush as you cannot profitabley call a turn bet when you miss.

As played shove. Protection and also i think a c/c, river lead looks just as much like a flush as th c/r does, so you prob didn't lose much value here in the end :)

Simon Mairs posted on 16 Mar, 4:30pm

1 more for the general consensus. Folding pre always here, probably even 100BB deep.

Kevin Williams posted on 11 Mar, 11:51pm

Seriously FML. Villain 25/7 with 57% fold to c-bet and 7% flop raise over 409 hands

GAME #2164692317: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1 2010-03-11 23:14:00
Table Camiri
Seat 1: conheo12 ($20.90 in chips)
Seat 2: davidwrunner2 ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Kevish47 ($93.00 in chips)
Seat 4: ryrtsfgsdfsdf ($95.50 in chips)
Seat 5: gnomic ($27.57 in chips)
Seat 6:  ($0.00 in chips)
Seat 7: marimas ($91.30 in chips)
Seat 8: sailorzzz ($90.13 in chips) DEALER
Seat 9: EM0L ($138.71 in chips)
Seat 10: KSC38127 ($100.00 in chips)
EM0L: Post SB $0.50
KSC38127: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kevish47 [D10 DJ]
conheo12: Fold
davidwrunner2: Fold
Kevish47: Raise (NF) $3.00
ryrtsfgsdfsdf: Call $3.00
gnomic: Fold
marimas: Fold
sailorzzz: Fold
EM0L: Fold
KSC38127: Fold
*** FLOP *** [C10 SJ SA]
Kevish47: Bet $6.00
ryrtsfgsdfsdf: Raise (NF) $12.00
Kevish47: Raise (NF) $33.00
ryrtsfgsdfsdf: Raise (NF) $92.50
Kevish47:???????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Martin Rice posted on 12 Mar, 1:13pm

Ugh - prob a crying fold. He can have a hand like Q10ss as well, but I think it feels like a spot where bottom 2 is not good enough. Aces up are still an ok part of his range as well as the obv QK. If he is spazzing with AK/AQ then...sweet - he's awful - ul get him in better spots.

What was ur image like at the time.?

Kevin Williams posted on 15 Mar, 5:21pm

My image was fairly standard tag-y, def not a maniac. I folded. Anyone just wanna flat his first raise instead of 3 bet and c/c most turns and rivers?

Simon Mairs posted on 16 Mar, 4:26pm

I think this is a fold, when a passive villain min-raises, it's time to head for the hills IMO. You can't even really flat here and try and fill up on the turn, as it will be hard to stack him OOP if the board pairs (and you may be crushed vs AT/AJ etc).

Martin Rice posted on 15 Mar, 1:14pm

Here's a weird river spot from the weekend.  First level effective stacks are ~20k. I am prob perceived as fairly aggro at this stage.  Villain doesnt seem too comfortable playing live but seems reasonably capable.  He probably played a little too tight but was overly conscious that he did not want to be outplayed (ie made a few marginal calls).  

Anyway....it folds to me on the button and I make it 125 with 910o.  Both blinds call.  Flop comes 784 rainbow.  Both check, I bet 300, both call. 

6 comes on the turn, checked to me again (pretty instantly cheked in both spots) and I bet 775.  SB folds and BB calls pretty quickly.

River is a 4 for a final board of 78464.  BB leads into us for 2k.

Hero...

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Gerard Harraghy posted on 16 Mar, 1:00pm

Stacking off here would be pretty horrific imo. Think flatting is def best

Martin Rice posted on 16 Mar, 1:31pm

Yea I think flatting mite be the best. The guy actually game on the white board and talked about the hand. I actually made it 4675 or something like tht and he flatted with 6's full. I just thought I mite be able to get value if he was just donking the river with a 45 55 56 type hand. I kept the raise small to get paid by a 5, but I still think his range that leads the river is mostly houses so flatting is prob better.

Simon Mairs posted on 16 Mar, 4:13pm

Saw the result here, but I think raise fold is fine against this guy. I think he raises a lot of his sets on the flop and your just unlucky at the sequence here, he has a bunch of fives in his range, and is likely to call thinking you are trying to push him off the chop or something goofy. Flatting is also fine, its a pretty thin bet, but you will gain some good range balancing vs the observant players when you raise the river here without a boat.

Gerard Harraghy posted on 14 Mar, 2:09pm

Would you like opinions of this grader v grader action from yesterday.

50/100 myself and ramsey are both appox 12-14k

UTG limps, ramsey makes it 500 from MP, i flat and everyone else folds.

Flop is 9 6 4 (with 2 hearts), Ramsey leads for 700, i flat.

Turn is K of hearts, ramsey leads for 1400, i flat

River 10 of hearts and ramsey bets 4k.

What are we putting his value range here and often do we think he's bluffing (also, what hands do we think he may turn into a bluff here?)

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Martin Rice posted on 15 Mar, 11:01am

Obv Ramsey is a good enough player to know that the turn and river are both his dream barrelling cards. He also knows that you will be better than most on the table at assigning ranges. I think he v/bets a lot of hearts. He is def capable of making some v thin value plays on the river so Im not too sure that his range is polarised.

I know the hands so will try not and let tht influence me too much here and will try not and reveal. I think my calling range is a tiny bit narrower than urs in this spot, but not a lot. I certainly call river with some non-flush hands against aggro thinking players. Stack sizes are really good for him to put you under a LOT of pressure on the river sp that also influences my decision.

Gerard Harraghy posted on 16 Mar, 1:03am

almost 100% sure that the 9 was the offsuit card.

I didn't have a flush but figured ramsey had air enough of the time that my JJ could be good.

Unfortunately I had underestimated the % that ramsey could turn a hand that beat me into a bluff on the river as he turned over AA (no heart) :(

Martin Rice posted on 16 Mar, 3:27pm

Next time just make a sick soul read and shove tiver :)

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 13 Mar, 1:58pm

London Live Hands

Hand 1 - Was early on (dont ask me the exact blinds either 100 or 150 for the bb no ante)

Villian - Richard Wheatley
Hero - Cutoff

Effective stacks c. 25k. Its either raised or limped to me in the cutoff

AsKh

I either raise or re-raise and get 4 caller. Pot was around 3k

Flop comes down

Ad7h3h

checked to me I fire 2k get one caller everyone else folds

Turn

10c

checked to me and I fire 3.5 to 4k  called

River

Ah

Villian donks out for 6k...........................................

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 13 Mar, 2:01pm

Hand 2 - Middle stages around say level 6 or 7

Villian - Richard Wheatley
Hero - Blinds

KcKd

comes round to me i rr 1 caller.

flop

KsJc7s

fire out 2/3rd pot bet called.

Turn

8s

check, check

River

9s

check, villian fires out 1/2 to 2/3rd pot (about 1/4 to 1/3 of my remaining stack)

Owen Robinson posted on 14 Mar, 11:47am

My first reaction to hand 1 is that it is a call, and I would think that you are good a decent percentage of the time. I would assume that your greatest worry here is the flush but I wonder would he not have bet a little bit bigger to try to get maximum value for it if he has indeed hit. Of course he does not know that your A is quite as big as it is but given that it was reraised preflop he certainly has an idea. In my mind his hand is either a flush, in which case he is letting of a little bit lightly with his value bet, or an A that we beat and his bet is a blocker to avoid a bigger bet value bet from you on the river. I'd lean towards the former but think the price is right and would make the call.

Owen Robinson posted on 14 Mar, 12:36pm

The second hand is really a horrible spot. The trickiest part to it is that I would have to assume that Wheatley would think it unlikely that you would check a big spade to him on the river and so can profitably make this bet as a bluff with so much of his range. The flip side of that is that so much of his range beats you. The question then is what hands that beat you will value bet here, and what hands that he called on the flop does he now credibly turn into a bluff. The only spades that he can credibly have are the A, Q, and , so any combination of AA, AQ, QQ, QT, TT with one spade might credibly bet for value although I might think that if he had AA with the As that he would have put more action in on the flop or turn, but possibly not. I wonder what he would do with his T hands that do not contain a spade? Q T, TT, T9. He perhaps does not call TT on the flop, and T9 may or may not bet the turn but assuming that he does play them this way, would he bet them for value on the river? The more I look at it, the more I think that it is difficult that to get to the river with a pure bluff and that if he did speculatively call with QT, TT, T9, also JT, he would have been more likely to do so with a the back door spade in his hands. I think that even though your hand is grossly underrepresented, I would fold and curse my luck.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted at 2:06pm

Just a fun bit of levelling here

Villian - Toby Lewis
Hero - Button

hand 1

gets folded round to be on the button we have an absent small blind due to elimination I look down at 42o and give Toby a walk. He says he likes me i say anything higher than a 4 and you wouldnt.

hand 2

Very next Orbit comes round to me on the button, Toby in small blind, I look down at 55 I raise and both blinds fold. I muck and show 1 5 face up, and say to Toby higher than a 4 is good.

1st proper little live level, I will get the hang of this soon enough :P

Martin Rice posted on 12 Mar, 9:37pm

***** Hand History for Game 2166237289 ***** (IPoker)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 12, 09:28:25 ET 2010
Table Algiers (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: guinness10000000 ( $77.80 USD )
Seat 2: OMGMeganFox ( $39.00 USD )
Seat 4: Mirek007 ( $48.72 USD )
Seat 5: MJR719 ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 6: rakdar ( $28.50 USD )
Seat 7: dbeee ( $169.40 USD )
Seat 9: PokercccpRU ( $20.00 USD )
Seat 10: louis403 ( $17.50 USD )
dbeee posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
PokercccpRU posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to MJR719 [  Jd Th ]
louis403 folds
OMGMeganFox folds
Mirek007 folds
MJR719 raises [$3.00 USD]
rakdar folds
dbeee raises [$32.50 USD]
PokercccpRU folds
MJR719 raises [$97.00 USD]
dbeee calls [$67.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5c, Tc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8s ]
MJR719 wins $198.00 USD from main pot
dbeee shows [9c, 3s ]

Try and work this one ou - villain vas 77/64/48 over 350 hands.  I had 4-bet shove in similar spots twice b4 andhe folded - he musta gt bored :)

Jamie Burland AKA StilettoMafiosa posted on 12 Mar, 11:15pm

buddie'd

Mike Carroll posted on 12 Mar, 3:58am

Villain 87 hands  16/14/9.1

***** Hand History for Game 2164975889 ***** (IPoker)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, March 12, 03:38:30 ET 2010
Table Ballsbridge (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Bubblejam777 ( $51.94 USD )
Seat 3: buji70 ( $31.65 USD )
Seat 5: masteracc1 ( $50.00 USD )
Seat 6: BelterMan ( $61.60 USD )
Seat 8: 004betwithair1 ( $54.77 USD )
Seat 10: ZJPatriot ( $53.18 USD )
004betwithair1 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
ZJPatriot posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BelterMan [  Ad Ks ]
Bubblejam777 folds
buji70 calls [$0.50 USD]
masteracc1 folds
BelterMan raises [$2.00 USD]
004betwithair1 calls [$1.75 USD]
ZJPatriot folds
buji70 calls [$1.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 7h, As ]
004betwithair1 checks
buji70 checks
BelterMan bets [$5.00 USD]
004betwithair1 calls [$5.00 USD]
buji70 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
004betwithair1 bets [$12.50 USD]
BelterMan calls [$12.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
004betwithair1 bets [$35.27 USD]
BelterMan ????????????

Rob Jarrett-Smith posted on 12 Mar, 8:04am

I think I call this Mike.

His river bet seems completely inconsistent with the rest of the hand.

If he flopped a set of 7s, or the less likely KK/AA why is he waiting until the river to get money into the pot? I'd expect him to have c/r the turn or similar. By donking betting all-in on the river he makes you fold so many hands he could get value from.

The hand that would worry me the most is JThh, where he's drawing to the flush and nails his gutter on the river. If he's got that then its a bit of a coole and I'd be paying him off.

I'd expect a busted flush draw here the vast majority of time. Something like AJhh, maybe even AQ which he now thinks is good.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 12 Mar, 8:23am

Think the clue is in his name

Martin Rice posted on 12 Mar, 1:10pm

Snappity snap snap (hows that for strategy). Think ur ahead of a lot of his v/betting range as well.

Kevin Williams posted on 11 Mar, 2:24pm

River line? And any critique on bet sizing or flop line?

GAME #2162410317: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1 2010-03-10 19:08:13
Table Americium
Seat 1: TFMonty007 ($84.68 in chips)
Seat 2:  ($0.00 in chips)
Seat 3:  ($0.00 in chips)
Seat 4: tompokerace ($21.15 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: iMInTILTagain ($30.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Kevish47 ($91.65 in chips)
Seat 7: MJR719 ($119.70 in chips)
Seat 8:  ($0.00 in chips)
Seat 9: IBluffCallU ($100.00 in chips)
Seat 10: ProximoP ($71.30 in chips)
iMInTILTagain: Post SB $0.50
Kevish47: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kevish47 [DK H3]
MJR719: Fold
IBluffCallU: Fold
ProximoP: Call $1.00
TFMonty007: Fold
tompokerace: Fold
iMInTILTagain: Fold
Kevish47: Check
*** FLOP *** [D3 C10 HK]
Kevish47: Bet $2.50
ProximoP: Call $2.50
*** TURN *** [HA]
Kevish47: Bet $5.00
ProximoP: Call $5.00
*** RIVER *** [HJ]
Kevish47: ????????????

Rob Jarrett-Smith posted on 11 Mar, 3:39pm

Bet sizing on flop/turn looks fine to me.

River is not an ideal card but I'd fire 3/4 pot.

Did he raise the river bet?

Martin Rice posted on 11 Mar, 4:30pm

Check call cud b a pretty good line to induce bluffs. If betting, Just bet 3/4 pot and fold to raise.

Kevin Williams posted on 11 Mar, 11:47pm

Hmm well i check/folded. Villain was running at 15/4 and was uber passive. EVERYTHING came in and I couldn't see what I was beating. Guess bet/fold might've been better.

Rob Jarrett-Smith posted on 11 Mar, 9:50am

Here’s a hand that I’d appreciate some comments on.

Background, the villain in this hand is super-bad. He is a station when you bet into him in position, constantly check-raises out of position and seemingly stabs at any pot when checked to him. In this hand he elects to post dead blinds of $1.50 rather than wait 2 hands to come in.

Stats: 55.9 / 9.9 / 78 / 28.4
VPIP / PFR / Bets Missed Flop C-bet / C/R Flop – this is over 1500 hands

BTN $24.50
SB: $100.00
BB: $102.40
UTG: (Hero) $102.50
UTG+1: (Villain) $88.98
CO:$20.00
Small Blind posts $0.50
Big Blind posts $1.00
Villain posts big blind $1.50

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  Kc As ]
Hero raises $4.50
Villain calls $3.50
CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds
BB calls $3.50 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, 6h, 6d ]

BB Checks
Hero Checks
Villain bets $14.50 USD
BB Folds
Hero ?

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Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 11 Mar, 5:09pm

we can call but we def need a turn plan before we do

Rob Jarrett-Smith posted on 11 Mar, 5:14pm

That's pretty much the reason why I shoved tbh Gavin. I couldn't see how I could have much of a plan. His range is huge and if I don't hit an Ace or King on the turn what do I do. He's going to barrel pretty much every time.

I felt I was ahead and had a ton of equity in the hand but it was going to be very difficult to get to the river just check-calling two more streets.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 11 Mar, 5:25pm

i do think its one of the commentators "push or fold" spots either is ok, the decision would ultimately come down to personal feel/experience of the villian.

Rob Jarrett-Smith posted on 11 Mar, 4:57pm

Looking to get some thoughts on the following hand.

The  villain in this hand is one of the best players at this level, capable of making a lot of moves.

His stats: 20.2/16.9/6.0/15.6/19.4

VPIP/PFR/3B/Flop Bet-Raise/Turn Bet-Raise

Thoughts on flop, turn and what next, greatly appreciated.

UTG $50.60
UTG+1 (Hero) $100.00
CO $152.45 
BTN (Villain) $113.70 
SB $152.65
BB $50.32
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  Kd Ac ]
UTG Folds
Hero raises $3.50
CO Folds
Villain calls $3.50
SB folds
BB calls $2.50
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 3d, As ]
BB Checks
Hero bets $7.75
Button calls $7.75
BB Folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jd ]
Hero bets $15.25
Villain raises $40.00
Hero ?

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 11 Mar, 5:11pm

he raises 20% of turn bets?

If so thats high and is being done lightly

Rob Jarrett-Smith posted on 11 Mar, 5:16pm

Yeah Gavin, it's super high.

The trickiest part is the fact that he flats the flop call with one other player to act. He could be doing this with a flush draw, or he could be doing this with 88/33 hoping to get the BB to come along for the ride as well.

I hated this hand....

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 11 Mar, 5:23pm

without knowing or having played (prob) against the villian then I would prob take my usual line in these sort of spots which is wait it out with a patient approach and wait till we have a stronger hand then stack him after he hangs himself.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 10 Mar, 8:23pm

GAME #2162542207: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1 2010/03/10 20:14:14
Table Americium
Seat 1: TFMonty007 ($147.26 in chips)
Seat 2: fcbelleu ($97.30 in chips)
Seat 4: gretaberner ($93.50 in chips)
Seat 5: gobledigook ($52.60 in chips)
Seat 6: patricia70 ($44.80 in chips)
Seat 7: MJR719 ($185.37 in chips)
Seat 9: thegrapesofwrath ($20.00 in chips)
Seat 10: StrongPawn ($19.50 in chips) DEALER
TFMonty007: Post SB $0.50
fcbelleu: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TFMonty007 [SJ HJ]
gretaberner: Fold
gobledigook: Call $1.00
patricia70: Call $1.00
MJR719: Raise (NF) $5.50
thegrapesofwrath: Raise (NF) $20.00
StrongPawn: Fold
TFMonty007:??????

Ship or flat?

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Martin Rice posted on 11 Mar, 7:09am

fwiw...I was playing pretty aggro and opening a fair amount. The s/s who shoved had done so 2 previous hands and I called and won both times with AK and 99. This was the 3rd consecutive pot where I opened and he shoved.

I think dynamics at the time make this a shove. Min-raise calling is a little ugly imo as I am 100% only shoving better hands.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 11 Mar, 9:58am

My point I am interested in is more general. Ignore that Martin is the villain for the moment :P

If we flat then doesnt that just invite the orginal raiser or even 1 of the early limpers (old scandi kings play) to come over the top and we have no way of calling. If we shove then all the intiative goes to the 3 ppl still to act behind me and I am only ever going to get called by the top of their range that either has my crushed (AA,KK,QQ) or in a 150bb+ coinflip (AK,AQ). If I re-raise and make it say $50 then doesn't that achieve the same as a call as invites the orginal raiser to come over the top as he can assume he has fold equitity and the move just has iso raise written all over it.

Martin Rice posted on 11 Mar, 10:39am

I am never flatting.

Im not sure I agree that it looks like there is f/e. I dnt think too many people will be shoving wider than QQ+ and a very small amount of AK wen u make it 50. I also dnt think any AQ hands are calling either way. When we consider this is the 3rd hand in a row that this action has occured, I think JJ is good enough to isolate the s/s. I just think raising to 50 and then calling is going to be getting money in bad a fair amount. I think Id rather 4/bet/fold against my 5/bet shoving range. Actually, the morew I think about it - the more I kinda like making it $45 and then folding if I shove.

Simon Mairs posted on 3 Mar, 3:50pm

Villain has been winning and playing well. I'm not that long at the table. Villains stats are 21/19/9.0 over 450 hands.

Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1

Seat 1: Villain ($217.50 in chips)
Seat 3: SoooSorry ($64.05 in chips)
Seat 5: GoFoxYourself ($102.55 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: BOUFFLES ($124.74 in chips)
Seat 10: Hero ($100.00 in chips)
BOUFFLES: Post SB $0.50
Hero: Post BB $1.00

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [8d 9d]
Villain: Raise (NF) $3.00
GoFoxYourself: Fold
BOUFFLES: Fold
Hero: Call $2.00

*** FLOP *** [4d Kc 7c]
Hero: Check
Villain: Check
*** TURN *** [Jd]

Hero: Bet $4.00
Villain: Call $4.00
*** RIVER *** [6d]

Hero: Bet $6.00
Villain: Raise (NF) $210.50
Hero: ??????

Rob Jarrett-Smith posted on 3 Mar, 4:01pm

Hi Simon,

Really weird spot. I'd fold. This seems like an incredibly spewy overbet with anything less than nuts here.

He puts you on a flush, he thinks you're never folding, so he ships. That's at least how I would read it.

You're good here some of the time against certain villains but I'd be willing to fold a bigger flush than a 9 high one in this spot the vast majority of the time.

Simon Mairs posted on 8 Mar, 1:46am

I folded, which was tough because I'd had a few bad sessions and this one wasn't going great. Cheers for the comments.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 11 Mar, 10:23am

Have been thinking about this hand a fair bit, and it is very tricky as ROb says we could be good a lot but I dont see how we can call. I would definetly be making a note on this villian as a decent enough thinking player and try not to sit OOP on him in future.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 7 Mar, 11:48pm

What now? Or comments as played.

Villian largely unknown running 21/7/2 with 3-bet of 5.7 over 200 hands

GAME #2156254934: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1 2010/03/07 05:42:55
Table Ensenada
Seat 1: Sabinn ($199.90 in chips)
Seat 2: DRR88888888 ($88.90 in chips)
Seat 4: 11mamba66 ($0.00 in chips)
Seat 6: forggstock ($123.70 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: TFMonty007 ($162.95 in chips)
Seat 9: DannyelB ($214.96 in chips)
Seat 10: VincentHew ($125.55 in chips)
TFMonty007: Post SB $0.50
DannyelB: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TFMonty007 [D7 H7]
VincentHew: Fold
Sabinn: Fold
forggstock: Fold
TFMonty007: Raise (NF) $3.00
DannyelB: Raise (NF) $9.00
TFMonty007: Call $6.00
*** FLOP *** [D3 C5 D5]
TFMonty007: Check
DannyelB: Check
*** TURN *** [HQ]
TFMonty007: Check
DannyelB: Bet $10.00
TFMonty007: Call $10.00
*** RIVER *** [C2]

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Martin Rice posted on 10 Mar, 4:13pm

fwiw - I am raising a donk bet in his shoes with a LOT of worse hands. I think I play it the same as u gav except with c/f the river (which I think u may have been doing)? I assume he checks behind all hands with sdv so c/c isnt great.

I also dnt see a great deal of value in 4-betting pre. 4/bet folding sucks wen our hand is this strong bvb.

Simon Mairs posted on 10 Mar, 9:17pm

I realise a lot of players might raise the donk bet. However, I'm only talking about the hand in question, where the villain is passive. It's a big mistake IMO to start levelling villains to our style of play. Poker is a game of imperfect info, but we have to go with what we've got, and that says this guy is passive, so IMO donk betting is fine. I don't know, have you guys seen a lot of players like this raising donk bets light? He doesn't even c-bet AK here.

Gavin (TFMonty007) Hall posted on 11 Mar, 10:19am

thats a good point about this villian. However, I think its def one where we want the villian to fold as if he calls it kinda sucks as we pretty much have to lead the turn or check/give-up which is bloating the pot OOP, which is pretty much the same as writing in the chat box ok I took a shot on the flop u can take it down now.